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for the american economy. >> an added wrinkle to the fiscal cliff talks is the debt ceiling, with the government on pace to reach its borrowing limit early next year. the white house stated its position on the 14th amendment, which some theory rise is a way for the president to raise the debt limit independently, should republicans attempt to use it as a negotiating tool. >> i can say that this administration does not believe that the 14th amendment gives the president the power to ignore the debt ceiling, period. >> the fiscal cliff talks reached a new low yesterday when, somehow, the new york jets got dragged into it on the senate floor. >> it's not one of my favorite teams, but it's really, really fun to watch, and that's the new york jets. coach ryan, he's got a problem. he has three quarterbacks, sanchez, he's got tim tebow, he's got another guy. he can't decide who their quarterback is going to be. that's the same problem republicans are having. romney's gone, but he's still in the background. we have mcconnell and we have boehner. who is the quarterback, mr. president? who is the quarterb
to ignore the debt ceiling, period. >> the fiscal cliff talks reached a new low yesterday when, somehow, the new york jets got dragged into it on the senate floor. >> it's not one of my favorite teams, but it's really, really fun to watch, and that's the new york jets. coach ryan, he's got a problem. he has three quarterbacks, sanchez, he's got tim tebow, he's got another guy. he can't decide who their quarterback is going to be. that's the same problem republicans are having. romney's gone, but he's still in the background. we have mcconnell and we have boehner. who is the quarterback, mr. president? who is the quarterback? >> there's some confusion about who the quarterback is on the republican side. that is, of course, quite common when you don't have the white house, but there's no doubt about who the quarterback is on the democratic side. the quarterback on the democratic side is the president of the united states. and unfortunately, he keeps throwing interceptions, and we're moving backward and backward and backward towards the goal line. >> i have a headache. >> should they not b
of lights. >> chris: i'm chris wallace, two big issues today. the fiscal cliff talk stuck in neutral and concerns syria will use chemical weapons against it's own people. with 23 days and more posturing, will the white house cut a deal. we'll talk two senators on the front lines of the debate. democrat charles schumer and republican bob corker. then the u.s. draws a red line telling syrian president assad not to use chemical weapons in that country's civil war. we'll discuss the latest intelligence and fallout with michael oren. a fox news sunday exclusive. plus the supreme court agrees to take up same-sex marriage. we'll ask our sunday panel if the court is likely do decide whether gays have a constitutional right to marry and a final farewell to my best friend winston, all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again from fox news in washington. it's beginning to feel like groundhog day in the talks of the fiscal cliff. both sides dug in, no agreement in sight and we're 23 days from the brink. join us to break down where it stands, two leader senators, charles schumer and bob corker
>> chris: i'm chris wallace, two big issues, today. the fiscal cliff talks, stuck in neutral. and, growing concern syria will use chemical weapons, against its own people. ♪ >> chris: with just 23 days to go, and more posturing than progress, will the white house and republicans cut a deal to avoid big spending cuts and tax increases? we'll talk with two senators on the front lines of the debate. democrat charles schumer, and republican, bob corker. then, the u.s. draws a red line. telling syrian president aassad not to use chemical weapons in the country's civil war. we'll discuss the intelligence and the possible fallout with israel's ambassador to the u.s., michael oren, a fox news sunday exclusive, plus the supreme court agrees to take up same sex marriage. we'll ask our sunday panel what the court is likely to decide, whether gays have a constitutional right to marriage. >>> and, a final farewell to my best friend, winston. all, right now, on fox news sunday. ♪ >> chris: and hello, again from fox news in washington. well, it is beginning to feel like ground hog day, in th
talent. the corporate taxes may be part of the fiscal cliff talks. here is dan mitchell, senior fellow at the cato institute. google stashed $10 million in bermuda, hp has almost all of its cash offshore and apple said to shareholders, two-thirds of its $121 billion of cash is held outside the united states. now why is that? is it just because they hate america? >> two things to understand. number one, everything they do is completely legal. it's foreign source income that is being taxed in the countries where it's being earned. but, number, two, the u.s. has the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world. these companies if they bring that money back to the united states will be double taxed on top of what they paid oversea, yes, with some credit so maybe it doesn't get too much above 35% but we are shooting ourselves in the foot with very bad corporate tax policy. >> will president obama clahang that with this talk of corporate tax reform? >> i don't want to burst your bubble. i'm not sure the administration is serious about this. we've seen there idea of corporate tax reform
of the fiscal cliff instead of engaging in serious talks to avert the cliff, that includes spending cuts and tax reforms the president once supported. the white house has only offered a joke. i understand we have speaker boehner to the microphones. let's take a listen. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefinite, infinite increase on the debt limit, like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proposal, based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then, there's been no counteroffer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the cliff. instead of cutting spending, the president want to raise tax rates. but even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would c
the most talked about piece ovate i of real estn the world, the fiscal cliff. ed henry tells us not everyone is pessimistic. >> reporter: literally snapping his fingers, vice president joe biden today suggested it will be easy to finish a deal with congress to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> it would take 15 minutes from the time the decision is made by the speaker of the house to pass and make permanent middle class tax cut. the president would probably have me sprint up to the hill to bring the bill down for him to sign. it can be done like that. it is not complicated. >> greg: speaker bane -- >> reporter: speaker john boehner not so optimistic. >> this is not a progress report, there is no progression to report. report. >> reporter: he blasted for not offering a counterproposal to his plan and they seemed more than ever going to stop the tax increase. economy shrugged off hurricane sandy to create 146,000 new jobs, nearly double what forecasters had said, job creation for september and october was revised downward by a total of 49,000. another 350,000 people were so discouraged in
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, president obama and john byron finally discussing the fiscal cliff. they talked by telephone yesterday. with just 26 days remaining to get a deal done, there are signs of compromise on the republican side. oklahoma's republican senator tom coburn a leading conservative saying he is okay with raising taxes on the wealthiest 2% of americans. in a few moments, soledad o'brien will talk with oregon senator is jeff merkley. he sits on the budget committee. >>> naeem davis now charged with murder for allegedly pushing a man off a new york city subway platform. davis was arraigned last night on a second-degree murder charge. police say he pushed 50-year-old ki-suk han on to the tracks and into the path of an oncoming subway train. >>> internet security pioneer john mcafee could be deported to belize as early as today. guatemalan officials detained mcafee yesterday. they accuse him of entering their country illegally. he turned up in guatemala on tuesday after disappearing from his home in belize. police there want to question mcafee in connection with a murder, his neighbor's murder. he says
ground hog day, in the talks to avoid the fiscal cliff. both sides dug in, no agreement in sight. and, we're now just 23 days from the brink. joining us to break down where things stand, are two leading senators. democrat charles schumer, of new york. and, republican bob corker, of tennessee. gentlemen, house seaker boehner said on friday that another week has been wasteded. senator corker, given that president obama won the election, and seems to have most of the political leverage, what is the realistic deal to be made in the next 23 days? >> first of all, i think something will happen. i hope it is large enough for people like me that want to see entitlement reform to vote for. the president has leverage and the republicans have leverage with the debt ceiling and the c.r. which ends in march and hopefully cooler heads will prevail. there are different theories coming forth on how to deal with this and again, chris, it is a unique moment in history, where every developed country in the world, economists on both sides of the aisle, know the greatest threat to our country is fiscal solven
cliff talks. kayla is live with that. >> reporter: a little bit of movement potentially. president obama and house speaker john boehner spoke by phone yesterday as democrats and republicans continue to dig their heels in over this budget standoff. there's been no announcement of any new face the face talks as lawmakers try to reach a deal to avoid the so called fiscal cliff in january. treasury secretary tim geithner tells cnbc republicans have made a little progress, but the obama administration is "absolutely ready to go over the cliff if the gop doesn't agree to raise tax rates on wealthy americans." apple has lost a bit of its shine. the tech giant stock suffering its worst day in four years on thursday. several factors may have been at play. investors worried apple may be giving up ground in the tablet market to rivals, while nokia beat the company to the punch. there are also unconfirmed reports a stock clearinghouse firm is reducing the margin requirements on apple stock. apple lost $35 billion in market value yesterday. to put that into perspective, there are 417 companies listed
and in perfect news but the truth is consumer confidence and the fiscal cliff talk could say have something to do with all of it. >> no doubt about it new survey out from reuters, michigan in early december we saw consumer sentiment drop to the lowest level that we have seen since august. that suggests, according to analysts that the increased taxes they are expecting from this fiscal crisis is weighing on consumer spending right now. the other side of this though, of course, is vice president biden went to a diner today to talk to some middle class folks and he basically said he has been talking to business leaders to say the converse of this is if there is a fiscal deal business leaders tell him the economy will be unleashed. take a listen. >> the upside is even bigger than the downside. they are ready to move they have well over a trillion dollars out there continue to vest if they think that the economy is going to move. >> and i have been talking to officials in both pears who say that has been the most surprising thing to leaders in washington here in private is that the markets have remain
to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> speaker boehner says no progress has been made in the fiscal cliff talks with the president with just about three weeks left before the deadline. we'll check in with political editor mark murray. first, lawyers for george zimmerman have filed a lawsuit against nbc universal for its coverage of the february 26th, 2012 shooting death of trayvon martin in sanford, florida. it alleges defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress. in a statement the parent company said, quote, we strongly disagree with the accusations made in the complaint. there was no intent to portray mr. zimmerman unfairly. we intend to vigorously defend our position in court. we'll be right back. tonight our guest, thomas sargent. nobel laureate in economics, and one of the most cited economists in the world. professor sargent, can you tell me what cd rates will be in two years? no. if he can't, no one can. that's why ally has a raise your rate cd. ally bank. your money needs an ally. bp has paid overthe people of bp twenty-threeitment to the gulf. billion dollars to help th
of a union fight. i have a former governor of michigan here. plus, we'll talk fiscal cliff and debt ceiling with him. plus, one hatch of simpson-bowles. the erskine bowles half. the less dancing of the duo. why former chief of staff is growing more optimistic we'll be able to get a deal before the cliff dive. by the way, will he take a job in president obama's cabinet? i'll have that answer straight ahead. first, a look ahead at the president's schedule today. you can see it's michigan with the lunch time remarks. back to the white house before 5:00. [ male announcer ] when ziggy the cat appeared at their door, he opened up jake's very private world. at first, jake's family thought they saved ziggy, but his connection with jake has been a lifesaver. for a love this strong, his family only feeds him iams. compared to other leading brands, it has 50% more animal protein... ...to help keep ziggy's body as strong as a love that reaches further than anyone's words. iams. keep love strong. ♪ don't know what i'd do ♪ i'd have nothing to prove ♪ i'd have nothing to lose [ male announcer ] zal
. >> and speaking of tears, "saturday night live" spoofed the fiscal cliff talks this week in that opening skit. president obama says he is giving in to republicans to save boehner face. >> you know what, republicans, you win, okay? you get what you want, but you lee had man alone. you leave this poor, orange man alone. you okay? >> yeah. >> i can't hear you. >> yes, yes. >> there he is. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. well, there they were side-by-side, and for real they were in the white house this weekend. president obama taking his message of middle class tax cuts and tax increases for the rich to detroit today. just as michigan is facing a big vote against union organizing in a state long identified with the labor movement. joining me now for our daily fix, msnbc contributor and managing editor of "post politics.com". good day to you. well, first of all, the labor movement really on the ropes now in michigan of all places. michigan where detroit, of course, was the heart of the auto movement, the auto union, and now you've got a vote -- final vote is tomorrow as the pr
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yesterday because, of course, he was supposed to be talking about the fiscal cliff, but he pivoted away from that subject, and he brought up this michigan right-to-work battle. how unusual, how unexpected was it that he weighed into this fray? >> well, we're starting to get a clearer and clearer picture of what second term barack obama looks like and what second term barack obama looks like is very different than first term. you remember in the first term when we had a similar situation in wisconsin after the 2010 elections where republicans swept into the statehouse there and tried something different as it related to collective bargaining rights, if power of collective bargaining for government workers. this is theoretically a less divisive issue. in wisconsin the president stood nearly silent. in michigan the president goes there the day before this mass demonstration and fires up the crowd. that didn't sound like a middle class tax relief outing, that sounded like the president firing up the base ahead of a day of maas demonstrations. alisyn: as you point out, chris, two years ago when t
they caused in the phone call as the country barrels towards the fiscal cliff. with no talks and no progress to avert the looming fiscal cliff, you could say the house has left the building, streaming out of the capitol. tomorrow's session cancelled. with only three work days left this year, they are often criticized. just 16 votes. across the country, rising frustration, americans asking why the holdup. and what will their taxes look like in 2013. >> maybe instead of getting my sister two things, you give one thing, you have to give pause on what could happen next year. >> reporter: today, president obama and house republicans are locked in a politicalstair staredown. >> we can probably solve it in a week, it is not that tough, we need that breakthrough that says we need to do a balanced plan. >> although the president seems obsessed about raising taxes on you, we feel it is not the right direction to go. >> reporter: it comes down to a tug of war over taxes. the president's proposal, increasing rates on americans making more than $250,000, to raise 1.6 trillion over a decade. house speaker
to the united states, bill richardson. so that interview coming up later. >>> as fiscal cliff talks here in washington are showing little movement towards a deal, there's now a new report that president obama may be willing to put raising the eligibility age for medicare on the table. is that true? we will discuss more this more in our strategy. can i help you? i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot? [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. welcome to chevy's year-end event. so, the 5.3-liter v8 silverado can tow up to 9,600 pounds? 315 horsepower. what's that in reindeer-power? [ laughs ] [ pencil scratches ] [ male announcer ] chevy's giving more. get the best offer of the year -- 0% apr financing for 60 months plus $1,000 holiday bonus cash. plus trade up for an additional $1,000 trade-in allowance. hurry. bonus cash ends january 2nd. humans -- sometimes life trips us up
talking to her about the fiscal cliff, she gets an e-mail. >> yeah! my interview. great. okay. that's good news. >> reporter: a third interview for a sales job. if washington can't do it, maybe this job will pull her back from the cliff. >> oh my god. i can't believe how excited i am right now. >> more than 500 years but the lady behind da vinci's smile is behind speculation. italian archaeologists might have found the missing link to the mystery of mona lisa. they've excavated remains which they think belong to the woman who modeled for the famous painting. ben wedeman reports from the excavation site. >> reporter: the smile has per perplexed for centuries. the mona lisa. in the frigid bowels of what was once a convent in florence, the television producer turned art researcher is leading a project to find and identify remains of the woman who posed for da vin economy more than 500 years ago. historical documents indicate this is the place where he's 15 de gherardini was buried. remains of five females were found here. the skull may be that of the second wife of a wealthy florence silk mer
purchase, every day! what's in your wallet? here's your invoice. >>> new job numbers, fiscal cliff talks, legalized marijuana, all the news was fodder for late night comedians this week. >> some good news, some good news. the u.s. unemployment rate is now the lowest it's been in four years. or as makers of sweatpants put it, uh-oh. >>> climate rate has fallen through its lowest level in nearly four years. the bad news, most of those jobs involve wearing a red suit, a beard and having a kid pee in your lap. >> house speaker john bainers says his efforts to work with president obama on the fiscal cliff have resulted in a lot of talk but no action. yeah. a lot of talk but no action, or as they call that in college a date. >> good morning, everyone. i'm randi kaye. victor is off today. it's 9:00 on the east coast. 6:00 a.m. out west. thanks so much for starting your day with us. we start this morning with the supreme court and the decision to hear two major cases on same-sex marriage. justices will hear arguments against the federal government's defense of marriage act and california's propo
fiscal cliff. that's what florida senator marco rubio is talking about. >> he discusses the negotiations on capitol hill and the raising taxes. >> my parents worked in the service industry we were able to afford a house. we always had what we needed thank god and thank this country. that's only possible in the future if we have limited government and enter prides. people come here from all over the world to get away from big government. i hope multiple voices out there making the argument. it is the only way forward for us. we will never be able to raise enough taxes to get out of the situation we are in. the only way forward is rapid economic growth. not new taxes we need new taxpayers. >> rubio sa>> what a difference few days can make. we had gorgeous weather a few days ago. it will be really wintery outside today. >> somebody in the hallway this morning was why is it so cold out, dean? it is december. we had a treat with warmer than average temperatures than most. winter out there in new york city. we were talking about 70 degree temperatures a couple days ago in chicago. 53 dallas. 5
party, and it comes around the issue of jobs. it comes around the issue of the fiscal cliff talks about what the party wants to be. whether there's going to be a tea party 2 or whether there's something of a vacuum that doesn't get filled with demint leaving the senate. >> all right. david, thank you so much. we'll be watching "meet the press" this sunday as we do every sunday. eugene, thank you as well. your latest column online at washingtonpost.com. >> guard that mustache, gene. >> i'm going to guard it with my life. >> and congressman emanuel cleaver, great to have you on set with us. >>> coming up, nbc chief white house correspondent chuck todd. and later in the show, "the economist" crunched the numbers and came up with the best countries to be born in in 2013. and the united states does not top their list. we'll find out who does ahead on "morning joe." [ male announcer ] there are plenty of reasons to be jolly at the chevy year-end event because chevy's giving more. more efficiency with sonic and cruze... more function in equinox and traverse... more dependability with the legen
in the fiscal cliff talks. >> it doesn't come at an opportune time because of the fiscal cliff, both the talks and the idea we're short of money. traditionally, what this country has done is treated disaster separately. >> senators from the storm ravaged states believe the obama administration will propose roughly $50 billion in relief, far short of what the states want, $82 billion. >> is there that kind of money lying around? >> certainly not that kind of money lying around. it's such a complex time right now we're dealing with a host of issues. we're going over the fiscal cliffs. >> senator susan collins are facing budget cuts they would like to pay for the storm cleanup. the uncertain fate of the relief money comes little more than a month after the jaw dropping pre-rel pre-election image of president obama and governor christie shoulder to shoulder, a time when he promised to help victims quickly. >> i want you to cut through red tape. i want you to cut through bureaucracy. there's no excuse for inaction at this point. >> the white house said the president remains committed. >> there's no
't come at an opportune time of the fiscal cliff, both the talks and the fact we're short on money. will it hurt his party or not? roland martin joins me. good to see both of you. ryan, you spoke very early on about how well you thought chris christie handled this sform politically and ever other way, but now he asks for fungd as republicans try to cut spending. is he hurting his own party? >> whether you're a republican or democratic governor you want to secure money from federal taxpayers. that's a classic move. it sure is. is it undermining republicans in congress? it probably is, but frankly chris christie is looking out for his own political future and it's his only option. new jersey is in a very tight fiscal situation because they have a balanced budget requirement. they can't run deficits the way the federal government can, and this has a huge impact on the state economy. frankly, i think you see more situations in which republican governors are going to be pitted against the republicans in congress because those governors, for example, they want that medicaid money to keep
. >>> here is where we are on the fiscal cliff talks. we are less than three weeks now from the 1-2 punch of tax increases and government spending cuts and the two sides appear to be moving farther apart. here's house speaker john boehner describing his latest negotiations with the president, just over the phone last night. >> the president and i had a pretty frank conversation about just how far apart we are. >> dana bash is our senior congressional correspondent. she s unearthed some surprising new details here about the speaker's latest offer to the president. dana, what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, we were told first earlier today by democratic source that part of the reason why that phone call between the president and the speaker didn't go so well to put it mildly is because part of the republican counteroffer they sent to the white house yesterday included a renewed call for, quote, permanent tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. now, we know that that is a nonstarter in general for the president. he said it ump team times, but the democrats at the white house felt that to
is still the gop's position in the fiscal cliff talks. that plan offers a total of $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction over the next decade, including $800 billion in new tax revenue, but no increases on the top 2% of taxpayers. that's where the stalemate seems to be centered. president obama insists taxes on the wealthy must go up. >> but when they start making a million or 10 million or 20 million, you can afford to pay a little more. >> reporter: several republicans indicated that's a concession they're willing to make. >> will i accept a tax increase as a part of a deal to actually solve our problems? yes. >> reporter: if nothing is done by january 1, income taxes will go up on almost all americans. >> there are no meetings scheduled this week between the president and house speaker john boehner. rob and paula, back to you. >>> the navy s.e.a.l. who died in that mission to rescue a kidnapped american doctor has been identified. nicholas checque was just 28 years old, but for the much of the last decade he had been part of navy s.e.a.l. team 6. the decision to rescue dr. joseph came from
or -- effective communicate or the replican party has but he is not talking about the fiscal cliff. >> he said we have to did is not create new taxes but new tax payers, not make the richer poer but the poorer richer. lou: that is a great slogan. >> you have to create policy, we're 25 days away from the fiscal cliff. >> to your original question about lack of energy and coi he had on the republican side, -- cohesion on the republican side. there a real dispier i dispiern this. not just among leadership but voting public people are burnt out. lou: what have they done? you have to work hard to get burned out. >> they have not done that. >> and tea party on the rise again. i think that stronger better republican party in two years from, last cycle. watch this whole fiscal cliff dial backfire. the -- the economy is going into recession in new year. lou: do you believe there is no way to avoid the fiscal cliff.
and house speaker boehner are talking, but there is still no word of progress on the so-called fiscal cliff or the president's ultimatum. silence indicate a deal in the works or something too ugly for them to contemplate?@ we'll have the latest for you from the white house. white house correspondent ed henry here in just moments, but, first, the money line in hoping washington might get a deal done driving a modestly bullish mood on wall street at the end of the session. investors cheering news in a decline in jobless claims, and household wealth in the country grew by $1.7 trillion, to the highest level in five years, talk about a positive indicator for consumer purchasing. the dow jones industrial up 40 points, the s&p up five, and nasdaq rose 15.5 points. volume? a billion shares lighter than yesterday, but above the average of 3.1 billion trading on the board today. apple rebounded from yesterday's worst date performance in four years, a gain of $8.45 today with the ceo saying apple will move imac computer production to the country in the new year. garmin stock higher to replace rr donl
of tax hikes for wealthier americans as it is? >> people talk about the fiscal cliff as if it is one thing. it is three. there's the obamacare taxes. to pay for obamacare were delayed until after he got himself safely elected. so in the next decade there are a trillion dollars of higher taxes. five of those big ones start january 1st. that is one part. part two, the bush tax cuts disappearing. that is $500 billion tax increase next year, 2013. and then the third part which is the spending restraint, sequester, which obama wants to put off. that would save 1.2 trillion over a decade. he wants to put it off and spend the 1.2 trillion. melissa: all true but, you know what? at this point it seems like it is not resonating with the averaae american. go out and look at polls. quinnipiac said 77% of all republicans think it is a bad idea for lawmakers to promise never to raise taxes. >> no, no, read that poll. melissa: reading it verbatim. >> the question was, should you not raise taxes on the high income earners, whatever. melissa: to never raise taxes on wealthy under any circumstance? >>
to get to talks. we do not want to go off the fiscal cliff. that's why we quickly responded to another proposal to the president. but the president refused to have a discussion. >> there's other reports that say republicans are looking for a fallback position, if he can't get the capps on deductions for more tax revenues and so forth. and it's going to be tax rates that the republicans might just vote present. some might vote present. some might vote aye and deal with the rates next year is. that just pure press speculation or is there anything to it? >> look, those are all press stories that are out there. we're trying to solve a problem. because if that came to fruition, that does nothing to solve the problem. and we just have an unbelievable amount of growth in government where we have to control the spending. if we want to truly save medicare and social security, we've got to do something about it. that's what republicans have been proposing all along. we want to solve a problem once and for all. and that's why we haven't waited -- it's interesting that we're just now talking about
what they need to see in a fiscal cliff deal. we talk with delaware governor jack markell. >> susie: i'm susie gharib. a coalition of the nation's top c.e.o.s is feeling pessimistic about getting a fiscal cliff deal.
.. as investors continue to monitor talks to avoid the "fiscal cliff" in washington. the dow fell nearly 14 points to close just shy of 13-thousand. the nasdaq dropped five-and-a-half points to fall below 3-thousand. and the s-and-p-500 finished the day down two points. >> the ceo of bank of america came on the cnbc. we are starting to see businesses slowed down perhaps a recession in 2013 that could linger into 2014. if you do not come off and come up with some answers, compromise but not compromise would move forward but because the in decision is paralyzing. >> banks seem to be doing pretty decent with the quarterly profits. >> a slight increase i know that americans do not like banks or do not trust banks. however, loan balances have increased by $65 billion in the third quarter your loans are failed. more money is being collected. that is the lifeline, the blood of our economy the bank profit will drive the economy, the economy will drive the stock market. >> let us go back to the losers. they have violated their privacy? >> that does not relieve that surprising they are settling of of court.
to to repair rather than filibustering talking points perhaps america is on the cliff of a fiscal opportunity. [ bell chimes ] [ applause ] >> stephanie: there you go. >> george bush's first inaugural address. we got yawl a surplus. that means you are paying too much tax. i'm going to fix that. [ explosion ] >> but the job creators can't be taxed -- they create the jobs. >> but they didn't. and we had the worst financial downturn since the great depression. >> stephanie: yep. carol in pennsylvania. >> caller: hi, honey. great show as usual. congress don't care. that's what everybody is forgetting. they don't give a damn because they are going to get their checks. they are going to get their benefits, and i think they are trying to subvert the government, and i think grover norquist should pay their checks and benefits and take them off the payroll, and we'll save a lot of money. >> stephanie: yes, that's right. ed asner and much more coming up as we continue on the "stephanie miller show." ♪ governor tomorrow night. she is awesome. we'll be right back on the "stepha
in a fiscal cliff deal. we talk with delaware governor jack markell. >> susie: i'm susie gharib. a coalition of the nation's top c.e.o.s is feeling pessimistic about getting a fiscal cliff deal.
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